10 psi on a stock B16A -- am I crazy?

[daboynblu]

well hey, when it comes to wasting months home-tuning fuel injection computers... i'm yer man [img]smile.gif[/img]

[keebler65]

i guess the only problem is you guys sound like uberdata is a "phase" and that in the end every user will resort to hondata. this is not true. i have had zero tuning experience before uberdata. i chipped my ecu myself (no i'm not proud, but i'm stating it). i also tuned my car by myself via uberdata and it is amazing how well it drives, in and out of boost. i can see where you shop owners/tuners frown upon things like uberdata because it might decrease business slightly, but it really isn't any good reason to hate on it (thats the vibe i've gotten from replies in this thread at least). the point is, i enjoy uberdata because it works very well, especially considering it's free. you seem to make it sound like we choose it because its free....no. we choose it because we've heard it works, and that it does. am i saying there is no place for hondata? no, i am not. hondata is definately useful for people that dont want to mess with tuning their own car. additionally, keep in mind that uberdata is limited to OBD1. i think the real future of hondata involves their development in tuning the newer k-series platform.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ April 04, 2004 04:36 AM: Message edited by: keebler65 ]</font>

[CROM]

Whoops, a simple misreading on my part started a flame war. I failed to notice you had included
tuning with uberdata, but yeah, as for your original post. 10psi shouldn't be a problem well tuned and run reasonably well. If you are a consistant drag racer or auto-x guru, then yes, you are going to have issues down the road if you don't keep an eye out and perform proper maintenance.

BTW - I chose Viperdata for my horsepower needs [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

[JRCivic]

Keebler, you solidified my point. You said "Uberdata works very well, especially considering it is free". Then you said that you use it because it works, not because it was free.

Odd thing: you seem to be a bit contradictive with your position...

So, what you are ACTUALLY saying is something like this:

Hondata is a superior tuning system when compared to Uberdata, however, since Uberdata costs $495.00 LESS than a Hondata s200b (the retail price of a Hondata system with boost), and I have read about many people who have had some success with the Uberdata system... I will try it and save money. Uberdata, even with all of its minor shortcomings, is still FREE.

Did I mention that Uberdata was FREE...

I am NOT flaming you here... I am merely trying to illustrate the difference in what you SAID and what you MEANT. The truth is, the Uberdata systems price (FREE) is very attractive. It's value-per-dollar could be unmatched compared to any other tuning system available... but this alone does not make it the BEST choice.

Let's use another example: The HyTech header compared to the DC Sports JDM 4-1. The HyTech retails for about $1200.00 and the DC Sports in stainless is only about $450.00. Although the competition in this field is argueably close at the top, say from AN-R and SMSP... lets just assume that the HyTech header is the overall "King of the Hill". So, the HyTech is the BEST when $$$ is no object. Unfortunately, for most of us "mere mortals" who are not independently wealthy... and must work to support their HP habit... $$$ matters. Since the shortcomings of the DC header are very small when compared to the HyTech header, they are quickly overlooked because it costs THREE TIMES LESS MONEY !!! The value-per-dollar is definitely in the DC Sports header's favor... and this is why they sell more of them.

Lastly, it has been some time since a thread created this type of discussion. Thank you for creating it... and forcing myself and others to be passionate about the answers. I have spent a few hours organizing my thoughts and creating my replies here on this topic. Thank you again for making me WORK for it !!!

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[keebler65]

jim,

if you don't mind, i would be interested to see why you are not a fan of uberdata. please give examples. all i've seen above (maybe i've missed something) is that hondata has tech support as well as many basemaps to choose from (where as uberdata supposedly doesn't). also, i am just curious if you've ever used uberdata, and if so, what was the most current version you've used?

you're right in saying that this type of discussion has not happened for awhile on this board. it's nice to see there are still active participants. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by Lokar:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by keebler65:
so if cheap shit isnt good, that must mean linux suck, huh? if only it were true. so many uneducated statements...it may be time to start a new thread if you guys really want to talk about uberdata vs. hondata.

edit: btw, they dont charge you for tech support...there is a forum full of helpful people open to questions and suggestions on improving it...

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ April 04, 2004 01:24 AM: Message edited by: keebler65 ]</font></font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, there is no point in being rude. I was asking a simple question. There were no uneducated statement made. Linux is not by any means superior to windows. Like I said, its a copy, and i believe that if you are going to make a product that already exists, either make it different or make it better. Any loser can copy.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uhm, yes, that is an uneducated statement. Unix was around way before windows, Linux sort of evolved from unix, so to say that linux copied microsoft is a completely uneducated statement. Secondly, many people think linux/unix is different and better, it's just that you have to actually know something to use it as it's not as user friendly and therefore not as marketable as windows.

[funky_cornbread]

. hondata is definately useful for people that dont want to mess with tuning their own car. additionally, keep in mind that uberdata is limited to OBD1. i think the real future of hondata involves their development in tuning the newer k-series platform.

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ April 04, 2004 04:36 AM: Message edited by: keebler65 ]</font></font>[/QB]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's why I didn't get it. It's only for obd-1. Second, I'm a busy person with full time school and a full time job. Uberdata is definatly a DIY thing. I didn't have the time to sit down and solder away or tune maps. Hondata has done all the leg work and I gladly paid for their services and their support. I bought the system on a thursday, end of the weekend, installed and tuned. So that's what I feel I paid for, ease of mind knowing my JRSC is tuned to it's full potential.

[keebler65]

it is very true that uberdata is for the DIY'er. i'm sure it contributed to my interest in it as well, since i'm the kind of guy that a) likes to learn how things work (low level) and b) likes to do all of the work on my car by myself. although i don't think its as much work as you think. i did the OBD0-OBD1 conversion as well as chip my ECU and tune it with uberdata ending up with a flat a/f curve, all in one weekend (but of course working full days on it). i guess some people enjoy working on their car as well as driving it, while others would rather pay money to save time and work, whether that mean go with expensive options and/or bring it to a shop and have them do it. to me, its part of the hobby. to each his own though [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]